We all have the benefit of hindsight with the PG trade. I just hope that everyone retroactively calling it the worst trade of all time aren't the same people who thought at the time it made the Clippers instant championship favorites for as long as PG/Kawhi were together. Now they're giving that same benefit of the doubt to OKC. Their future looks bright on paper, but for all we know the Thunder could continue to have playoff disappointments too, health issues with their stars, or just trouble keeping guys in a small market.
I was soooooo high on the Clippers in 2019-20. That's why I tried to call it lopsided instead of "bad", because it's more about the result being "bad" for the Clippers than the process. But yeah, it's unlikely that Shai becomes KD, or that J-Dub and Chet win MVP's like Russ and Harden. And we see how they weren't able to even get a ring. So, time will tell.
If the second apron reduces draft pick devaluation by forcing teams to hold onto at least a few picks for the future, isn't that a good thing? Maybe teams with stop automatically resigning players at the maximum allowed amounts as well. As long as every team has to play by the same rules, parity will eventually happen, cap wise, at least. The smart management will evaluate and develop talent even und apron restrictions, but at least the bad teams are legislated to the minimum amount of stupidity.
Brook Lopez is a great example. Before Milwaukee could play fast and loose at the bottom of the roster to free up five or six million to sweeten Lopez resigning. The aprons may have ended those shenanigans. If Lopez wants to stay it won't be at the expense of other players. Now teams that might not have been considered can have the cap space - and opportunity - to try for a quality player.
Lopez fits nice with the Pels, but his skill set also matches the Bulls style of play - although Chicago would have to move Vucevich. Memphis could use Lopez for at least two years, depending on Zach Edey's learning curve and maybe moving away from Luke Kennard.
Neither Memphis or Chicago would want to use draft assets for Lopez, and to avoid the aprons Milwaukee might prefer cheaper and younger players in return. Win-Win.
Yeah, agreed. I understand that people don't like the fact that players aren't sticking around on their teams, but that's more of the rule than the exception. Most teams didn't retain talent for years upon years.
I think it'll benefit the league overall, and will require teams to go all-in in a more intelligent way. You need multiple guys to build around (Timberwolves), not just one (Suns) to make an all-in move.
Even as a fan of a team who is having to grapple with the second apron and what it entails... I think in the long run, having more than just financial repercussions with building an expensive team makes sense. You have to build your team intelligently, give deals where appropriate, and make harder choices about who stays and who walks. And you can't just have it all, just because you have their rights and can extend players.
Larry Nance can be traded, and if they don't plan on playing him much, they certainly should. He has value!
I am understanding of the second apron rules... it's just that all the 2nd apron teams, besides Boston, have no draft picks as well. I know that there's the frozen pick thing, but even a late first would be useful to have for team building. The Suns and Bucks will need to find ways to add guys now basically without even using the draft, similar to how the Clippers had to try and do the last 4 years.
We all have the benefit of hindsight with the PG trade. I just hope that everyone retroactively calling it the worst trade of all time aren't the same people who thought at the time it made the Clippers instant championship favorites for as long as PG/Kawhi were together. Now they're giving that same benefit of the doubt to OKC. Their future looks bright on paper, but for all we know the Thunder could continue to have playoff disappointments too, health issues with their stars, or just trouble keeping guys in a small market.
I was soooooo high on the Clippers in 2019-20. That's why I tried to call it lopsided instead of "bad", because it's more about the result being "bad" for the Clippers than the process. But yeah, it's unlikely that Shai becomes KD, or that J-Dub and Chet win MVP's like Russ and Harden. And we see how they weren't able to even get a ring. So, time will tell.
If the second apron reduces draft pick devaluation by forcing teams to hold onto at least a few picks for the future, isn't that a good thing? Maybe teams with stop automatically resigning players at the maximum allowed amounts as well. As long as every team has to play by the same rules, parity will eventually happen, cap wise, at least. The smart management will evaluate and develop talent even und apron restrictions, but at least the bad teams are legislated to the minimum amount of stupidity.
Brook Lopez is a great example. Before Milwaukee could play fast and loose at the bottom of the roster to free up five or six million to sweeten Lopez resigning. The aprons may have ended those shenanigans. If Lopez wants to stay it won't be at the expense of other players. Now teams that might not have been considered can have the cap space - and opportunity - to try for a quality player.
Lopez fits nice with the Pels, but his skill set also matches the Bulls style of play - although Chicago would have to move Vucevich. Memphis could use Lopez for at least two years, depending on Zach Edey's learning curve and maybe moving away from Luke Kennard.
Neither Memphis or Chicago would want to use draft assets for Lopez, and to avoid the aprons Milwaukee might prefer cheaper and younger players in return. Win-Win.
Yeah, agreed. I understand that people don't like the fact that players aren't sticking around on their teams, but that's more of the rule than the exception. Most teams didn't retain talent for years upon years.
I think it'll benefit the league overall, and will require teams to go all-in in a more intelligent way. You need multiple guys to build around (Timberwolves), not just one (Suns) to make an all-in move.
Even as a fan of a team who is having to grapple with the second apron and what it entails... I think in the long run, having more than just financial repercussions with building an expensive team makes sense. You have to build your team intelligently, give deals where appropriate, and make harder choices about who stays and who walks. And you can't just have it all, just because you have their rights and can extend players.
Larry Nance can be traded, and if they don't plan on playing him much, they certainly should. He has value!
I am understanding of the second apron rules... it's just that all the 2nd apron teams, besides Boston, have no draft picks as well. I know that there's the frozen pick thing, but even a late first would be useful to have for team building. The Suns and Bucks will need to find ways to add guys now basically without even using the draft, similar to how the Clippers had to try and do the last 4 years.